new washington machine regulators. i imagine if you don't do what the government says you'll have dishwasher police come into your house, right? >> well, you know, the thing that's really disturbing about this administration is all they know how to do is tax and punish. they don't know anything about creating incentives for goods and services on the supply side. if you punish the suppliers prices will go up because you have fewer goods and services to go around. great entrepreneurs with draw from competition and it creates this, it just creates this that we're in now. >> and for what, the cost, you wonder whether the cost is equal to the benefits. sabrina, they say even if these epa regulations go through, according to the chamber, it will reduce overall emissions by 1.8% for all of these hundreds of billions of dollars during a period when global carbon emissions will increase by 33%. so is that a return on investment? >> right. i don't think so. i think that's one of the big points here. we have to consider if these